The Channel 4 Big Art Project in St.Helens
Jul 22nd, 2007 |
We’d love to hear your views about the Big Art Project in St.Helens.
You can post your comment by using the form at the end of this section.
We’d love to hear your views about the Big Art Project in St.Helens.
You can post your comment by using the form at the end of this section.
Barry said:
I’d like an arty windmill onthe site, a pure symbol of old power vs the new.
Tim Hyde said:
I did send you an e-mail using the address shown, but it got bounced back! I’m honoured to see you are using my WordPress theme.
Anyway, I think this project is a great idea. I like Barry’s suggestion of something along the lines of the power theme. Perhaps the windmill could even power something?
Paul Kelly said:
Good to see a debate has started on the site, and very interesting idea of the windmill. Renewable energy and all that. !!The chosen artist is looking at this site, so will make sure he looks at the comments page
gwyn roberts said:
about time the north get put put on the map
norma wilson said:
i think having a piece of artwork in st helens is fantasic, working with community groups to produce pieces of artwork will bring communities together, i think helena housing should have a permanent art officer to work in communities with tenants and residents.
Tanya Humphreys said:
Thank you for the comments made so far, i will be very interested to see how tenants and residents feel about public art, if you would like a piece of artwork in your area please contact me for a nomination form.
Cath Ford said:
I entirley agree with Norma Wilson comments i feel having a resident art officer in Helena Housing would be beneficial. I live on an Helena estate and would love to see more artworks on these estates.
Lynn Arnold (Westra) said:
I think this project will be great for St Helens,and well done Helena Housing for jumping on board.Our Tenant & Res Association have already received a nomination form,and I hope other TRA’s will follow suit.I think it’s a great idea to get communities involved.
Joanne McMahon said:
Its great to see art coming to St Helens in such a big way, giving residents a chance to be involved in something innovative, unique, new and exciting.
Fantastic to see the Big Art Officer, Tanya, doing a great job spearheading the project.
Good luck over the next few months and I look forward to seeing the art projects in situ.
Sean Durney said:
This is a fantastic project for St Helens, and the community programme is looks the business! Good luck to all involved.
Andy W said:
Great idea that will help in the regeneration of the area. I’d like to see something that reminds people of the past industry in the area and points the direction for the future. To keep the work low maintenance, I guess there will be no working parts, but something that symbolises the mining industry (pit head gear say) merged with something for the future - say the new forest being planted in the area would be impressive
Sue Morris said:
Exciting stuff - Doreen Lorenzo and myself have already secured funding to deliver a community event linking in to the main Big Art Project. Our aim is to involve local children and families so that they have the experience of having their work valued alongside international artists.
JEAN ROBINSON said:
SAVE EARLESTOWN TOWN HALL ST HELENS HAS TAKEN FAR TO MUCH OF OUR HERITAGE AWAY,SELL YOUR OWN TOWN HALL TO,YOU KNOW WHO,AND LET HIM BUILD FLATS THERE.SEE HOW ST HELENS RESIDENTS,WOULD REACT TO THAT.THE COLLEGE TOO,WILL WE HAVE ANY THING LEFT?KEEP THEM AS GENUINE WORKS OF ART,
Graham E said:
I think this project is a very good idea and will be very beneficial for St Helens I hope more projects like this will happen in the future in St Helens and keep communities involved and working together.
Wendy Collins said:
I think it’s great that St Helens has the chance to participate in this project ‘ ex terra lucem’ use of low energy led lighting, glass and iron combined in a representation of the old pit head would be fantastic. The children and staff of Robins Lane School would love to be involved in any community project. We already have a huge artwork on our school site which represents the heritage of St Helens.
Daniel said:
I couldn’t understand some parts of this article The Channel 4 Big Art Project in St.Helens, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.
StephenBall said:
St.helens needs to brings its arts community together, and after this project has finished, carry on working and promoting the talent of the artists who live and work in this town
Paul Kelly said:
Following on from Stephen’s comments, we have been quite astounded at the diverse range of artists, and the quality of their work, who are based in the St.Helens borough. We really hope this project links that talent we have here, with the powers that be in the st.helens business community, who could be inspired to employ these artists to make work within their organisation.
chris appleton said:
am i the only one who thinks this is like the EMPORERS NEW CLOTHES i live in sutton manor it has become a dirty run down area with most of the improvments being spent on detroying what green areas we have being buldozed to build factory units noone uses, why not use the pit as a sporting venue not just another eyesore that people pass as they spend thier money at the trafford centre i have yet to see were the infrastucture for the so called visitors is going to go and how much wasted money is being spent or am i missing the point will a windmill stuck on a slag heap next to a motorway turn st helens into a shangri la
Tina C said:
Part of me has to (reluctantly) agree with Chris for me there has been for too much focus on business and not on community when it comes to green spaces. However, I do realise that one cannot survive without the other. I am hoping that the Big Art project is not just a one off event, but has substantial and sustainable projects alongside it, in order for this fantastic project to truly meet its remit.
It needs the ‘powers that be’ to work with local communities and local businesses to see how we can best benefit from this great opportunity, and to put money into it. Because if doesn’t happen, then it will be about wasting money on a an amazing piece of art that no-one will see or care about when the TV cameras are turned off.
Which is why I have been so pleased that the Little Arts Project has taken off…my nomination has been handed in!!!
But its going to take more that this…We all want it to work…so please make it work.
Tina C said:
P.S. Wendy Collins - Robins Lane School - the nomination I have sent in for the Little Arts Project is in Sutton Oak and we would love the local schools to get involved…should we get picked (or even if we don’t)…we will be approaching both Robins Lane and Sutton oak Primary
Pauline said:
I find it rather sad that some St Helens residents are not in support of the Big Art Project. Do they not realise what an opportunity this is? Having worked on several art projects in Liverpool, I know this will definitely put St Helens on the map, attract international press and visitors to this fair town. Get behind this project, after all, what have you got to lose?
Ant H said:
I was at a consultation meeting recently for the above project, and I was shocked to see that the project will not have ‘mining’ as a main theme at all…infact it seems it has nothing to do with mining and is going to be a large face, facing out on to the motorway! I think it’s out of order and it should be looking down on forest road. I am all for art in st helens, but not for being mislead.
Andy said:
I have to say how exciting I believe this project could be for St Helens, all one has to do is look at the impact major artistic ventures have had in other areas to see the positive effect it could have for this town (the men at crosby beach and the angel of the north are just 2 eg’s) and I am talking here solely from an economic perspective, with huge numbers of tourists coming to those areas to look at art it gives money and jobs to the local community. From an artistic perspective the greatest thing an iconic sculpture could give to an area is a sense of identity, and with identity comes a sense of pride. In response to Ant H this ‘identity’ problem appears to have been a major consideration for all the sites chosen in The Big Art, all are places that once had a strong tradition that has waned with the passing of industry. With this in mind, mining may be a theme, but it is only a starting point, the aim should be to look to the future, perhaps if the face is facing outwards towards the motorway, it will somehow embody this forward thinking philosophy.
Gill Worrall said:
A big Thank You to Tanya Humphreys (Big Art Officer) for organising the recent trip to Liverpool to see public art.
Myself (worker) and parents from Central Link Children’s Centre really enjoyed the day.
Comments received from parents…
“Both really enjoyed the day. Jessica enjoyed the statues on the beach. It had a lasting effect as later in the evening Jessica was telling her grandparents all about the Lamb banana! We both learned a lot.”
“On the day out in Liverpool both of my daughters really enjoyed looking at the different pieces of art. Kelsey took a particular liking to the super lamb banana we would defiantly take part in future outings.”
Thanks again and please keep us updated with all developments; we are all keen to stay involved with the project and look forward to seeing the end result.
Christine Courtliff said:
Hello Tanya,
Just downloaded form for my stepson who is good at doing short films using the basic equipment because we only have a digital camera, but what he produces is fantasic, He’s only 14yrs of age though. Is he to young?
I think the idea of art in the St.Helens area is great. The residental area’s look so glum. No flowers no greenery nothing. I have been involved with Helena housing and The local residents and tenants of Haydock to improve Wycliffe Road where I live. This so far has been great thanks to Kurrita White, who has been fantastic. We have had accustic fencing. also lanscaping of trees from the government funding that I got through Living Spaces. The fence was supplied through St. Helens Council. We still need flowers and few more additions but we hope to get there.
Andrew Cave said:
Fantastic, really enjoyed the workshop and can’t wait to see the billboards up next spring.
jason smith said:
i think a high flying statuesque saint with inviting arms urging people into the northwest would be quite fitting,it should attract people not only into st helens but invitingly caress them further down the m62 corridor,suggesting that once they pass this saint,the rest of there journey will be safe as the saint will watch over them and guide them safely to the there destination,thats what you call a landmark. my motto would be “united strength is stronger”.
chris appleton said:
when is the local press going to print on the front page the scheme that has been chosen for us by channel 4,this is of a 20mt high white concrete head that has a light to shine out of it for special occasions.
this scheme has been thrust on us and in conversations with as far as i know unelected commitee its got nothing to do with me its a done deal.i live in sutton manor and i think its a lot to do with me ,when all the arty lovies and residents of other parts of st helenshave gone we will have to look at it every day,does the council have double standards towards planning applications no low cost housing in RAINFORD because it will not be in keeping but its only sutton manor any airbrained scheme or factory white elephant is ok so long as we dont live near it.so please before you look down your noses at us plebs stop to think we live here 365 days a year
Nuria said:
Hi. I am from Barcelona and I am really happy Jaume Plensa is going to do the project for St. Helens. I wish we could see the Channel 4 programms here; if you have any influence whatsoever tell responsables in Channel 4 to reach a deal with the Spanish or Catalan TV so we can see the result of the community and the artist cooperation. I work for a catalan museum and will make sure to post the news about your project in our web.
Any idea when will the project will be finished? Or when can St Helens and Plensa work be seen on Channel 4? Hope to visit you soon.
Great iniciative, hope we have some of the sort down in Barcelona!
Arthur Adamson said:
I love to be entertained and I always clap enthusiastically when the entertainment is over. However, after only short period of time after the show, Ive usually forgotten most of what I saw. Quick entertainment means short memories.
Art from the heart is a good place to start. Truth and sincerity lasts but thrills will always be fleeting. Good luck to all the entertainers. I am sure all are sincere in there race for attention. Art is not about getting your work and face seen. It’s about seeing if you can face yourself after you have created your work. Eventually, in the end, most artists realise that the art race is only with themselves. I am sure the public with entertained. But I wonder how long it will be before they ask: Im bored now, entertain me again?
Lee said:
Thanks to all the ‘big art gang’ in St.Helens for making the ‘motto project’ almost come to fruition & sucess for all involved. Its great to mix with such happy & Enthusiastic people ……… Lee
Today’s Gamble Exhibition was Great …… long may they continue ……. ‘Get Smart’ will keep focused & energised because of it.
Tim Hyde said:
I think the Heaven tour is brilliant. I’d loved to know more about the motivation behind the idea for the heaven sign. Any events planned for artist to talk about the idea?
I’m a minister at St Helens Baptist Church and try to teach people every week that this is precisely what Jesus’ whole point was.
Great work.
Gerard Gilligan said:
I think the art is a bad idea due to the fact that it will use lighting that will cause Light Pollution, and badly affecting the Liverpool Astronomical Society Leighton Observatory, at Pex Hill which is close by. I intend to object to the project as a bad waste of money, that will cost the night-time environment dear in the long run, and be a source of crime. The local tax payers will pick-up the long term cost of the project.
paul kelly said:
I think it is important to note that the lighting will both measured and subtle and will not contribute to light pollution in any way.
Purps said:
I dont get it. Would of been much more fitting if it was a giant split (chips n peas for those that dont know ;-).
David Forshaw said:
Sounds interesting (the Sutton Manor project). However, as President of the Liverpool Astronomical Association, I am a little concerned that if the object is to be illuminated at night, once again a project is proposed which is going to add still more to the already overwhelming light pollution in the Liverpool area making it even more difficult to study the night sky, which in dark sky areas (of which there are fewer and fewer in this country) is mind-bogglingly beautiful. Hopefully my fears will be unfounded.
geof said:
Im with Purps, a giant split would have been far more in keeping with the towns tradition. I bet Jaume Plensa has never even had a split. Pah. Is it too late to change this? Im sure Linpac would come on board to supply a giant fork and tray. Lets make this happen people.
homer said:
its gona look like a giant boiled egg form the back plus im gona have to look at this monument 365 days a year out of my window what a shame hrte money has gone to waiste it
should of gone to building a few buisnesses and creating jobs
homer said:
yobs with drills will have a new hobby
George said:
Like most pieces of public art these days, this is simply ludicrous. I wish artists would sod off and put art in art galleries, not somewhere where we all have to suffer their ridiculous creations ruining the countryside and skylines.
This Dream is a nightmare.
local resident said:
The local papers mention that local residents and ex miners have been asked already about this project. I don’t recall anyone coming knocking at our house asking us. We will see this giant head from our house every single day. It would have been more appropriate to have something which relates to the site being a former colliery, even a giant miners lamp would have been better than a giant head. I wonder how long it will be before someone comes along to draw something on it.
Kirk said:
A Sexual Object?
I am a normal, regular person, and I am from Canada, and my UK friend showed me the photo of Dream.
I advise the Big Art Project committee to check the following to make sure the sculpture choice “Dream” is not a big mistake.
Because:
The overall shape of the monument can easily look like a male sex organ. (sorry to say that). No one really knows how at a distance or various angles, the shape, shadows, and contrast will render when it is a reality.
Can anybody else see that?
I have heard of other community installed objects having this same problem.
Maybe I need to see a side view of Dream.
johhnyd said:
I am amazed at the last couple of comments. Especially the one from the local resident. There has been a great community programme running for well over a year which has explained everything to the community about the programme its background the artist and the sculpture.
The story about the site and the artwork are wonderful and I cant wait to see it.
local resident said:
I am amazed by some of the comments posted on this site and made on the St Helens Star newspaper site and in various local newspapers. The ‘Dream’ sculpture is not only an inspiration but will be a valued asset in St Helens. I for one live extremely close to where the sculpture will be and at every stage have been notified of what is happing and what will happen next. People who have negative comments to make maybe should look further as to what this scuplture could mean for the future of St Helens. The sculptures on Crosby beach have indeed not only added to the area’s economy, but have also increased visitor numbers and as a direct result there is now a viewing tower and hotel being built there.
I feel the sculpture on Sutton Manor could indeed do just that, it may not be a litteral sculpture ie: a miners lamp but it does have a very fitting link to the site and to the future of St Helens. i for one can not wait to see it, and to prove the negative people of St Helens wrong.
It is indeed a Dream that St Helens has the honour of receiving such an amazing piece of work.
Joanne McMahon said:
The unveiling of the sculpture was an amazing moment and I was totally bowled over by the concept. I think this is an amazing piece.
I would commend the hard work put in so far by the project team, and I for one have seen the innovative community programme in action. Great work Tanya.
I look forward to seeing and taking part in future events before the final unveiling of the sculpture.
Andy Houghton said:
I think its a brilliant idea and will be a marvelous focal point for the area. I used to live in Clock Face so I remember the Colliery when it was still working so it will be good to see the land put to good use. The monument will provide a focus, not just for the area but St Helens as a whole.
Well done to Tanya for all her hard work! St Helens needs more of this!
Andy C said:
have seen some of the last comments and agree a giant split would be funny and a giant sex object would certainly be interesting- but thats as far as it goes. As for the other negative comments I can’t believe that people would be so narrow minded as to not want to put St.Helens on the map in the same way the Angel of the North has done. Well done to all those invovled and can’t wait to see it unveiled.
Gerry said:
I bet you will floodlight it and that will be the another nail in the coffin of the Leighton Observatory. On the other hand give the Liverpool AS the money to do educational projects that are currently impossible in light pollution. Educated children are a much better way to ensure economic regeneration.
B Gilmore ( Sutton Manor Heritage Group) said:
My understanding of the relevance of ‘Dream’ statue is as follows. It is a representation of a childs head, the child being the future of St Helens, the head being the place where memories are stored and the future dreamt of. The connection to mining is in the form of a miners tally which forms the plinth and there will also be other art relating to the area. Jaume Plensa the artist hopes to portray the memories stored in the heads of all the people who worked and maybe died in the mine, and then friends and families in this community to whom the mine for years past was the focus of Sutton Manor. This community has a wealth of history which would like to be seen preserved in a place where the focus remembers the past but looks to the future. It is hoped that the area will be a lovely place to ‘Sit, stand, run, remain and reflect’.
Polly of Liverpool said:
As a Liverpool resident working in St Helens I am infuriated at the negative comments to the Big Art sculpture. Get into the 21st century you woolly backs!!! Liverpool residents had the same attitude to the Superlambanana 10 years ago, this sculpture is now loved by all and is a great symbol for the City. Any number of towns/cities could have been chosen for this project but St Helens was, make the most of it and get St Helens on the map!!!!
Brenda Downs said:
Well said Polly. Thank you to those wonderful Ex Miners who had the vision and the courage of helping create a landmark on the same lines of the Angel of the north. I’ve just moved back to St Helens and I am really excited at the prospect of this magnificent sculpture and what it can do for the town. Again I salute the ex miners for a brilliant job well done.
john o said:
as a local i think the dream should remain “a dream”.we should have had a choice of designs.i would have liked a representation of colliery winding gear-something that was relavent to our heratage in the northwest.
Johnny said:
That’s right…. lets have a colliery winding gear or a mining lamp that no one would look twice at ! Well done to the former miners who realised that and chose something that ALL generations could enjoy and own, rather than something obvious that kept St Helens firmly rooted in the past. Go to the B and Q road island or the YMCA road island if you want to have a look at something representing our mining heritage. The ‘Dream’ is wonderful and represents our future.
local resident said:
I agree with John O and we should have had a choice of designs and the winding gear or miners lamp would have been better than the ‘Dream’. I know it has a miners tally at the base of it but no one will see that until they go close up to it. My dad worked at the colliery at one point and I dont think he would have appreciated a giant head (the ‘Dream’). I used to look forward to seeing the winding gear when coming home from holidays as it meant I truly was home, I dont think it’ll feel much like that anymore.
Brenda Downs said:
What on earth would we want winding gear or a miners lamp there, to please just the people living around Sutton Manor ? or the people who worked there? Does no one read up about this project and its aims? Its for the FUTURE and the regeneration of the TOWN. not to keep us deep rooted in the past. Coal has gone and will never return. Glass has nearly gone. We still have a world class rugby team. The ‘Dream’ will give us another identity just like the angel of the north. Again I cannot praise the former miners enough for reconising this. Future generations will recognise the sculpture and be proud of it.
local resident said:
The people who live around sutton manor do matter along with the people who worked there, its us who have to live with the giant head overlooking our houses. Yes the rugby team is world class so why not have a statue about rugby or something to do with the town itself.
David P said:
Yes, lets have something totally original like a 20 Metre giant rugby ball on the site with ’saints fot cup’ written on the side, I’m sure that would make a great visitor attraction, destroy our cloth cap wollyback image and have people flocking in from all over the country in their thousands to see….
Andy F said:
I’m depressed. I honestly cannot understand peoples negative attitude to this project, it is the desperate clutching onto any past remnant of success which has allowed this town to slowly and pathetically disintegrate into a state of social and economic disrepair. I read comments from residents complaining that they are going to have to look at this eyesore for 365 days a year. Excuse me!! If you want to move house then feel free, you’ll be sure to make a tidy profit because I guarantee that the property prices in direct view of ‘Dream’ will rise, due solely to the newly acquired view. Before complaining about having to look at a stunning, awe-inspiring thing of beauty, placed there in order to make us contemplate and engage with our surroundings, our history and our future, why not cast your gaze to the thousands of telegraph poles that scar our landscape, or to the frankly lazy architects and building companies that seem intent on filling every spare piece of land with houses that appear to be exactly the same as every other house that has been built here for the past 40years. Is Dream honestly worse than these?
As for the complaints that the sculpture has nothing to do with mining or St Helens as a whole…. I’d like to offer my most heartfelt congratulations to the miners and steering group who decided not to pursue this path, it was incredibly brave decision by them bourne from their own education and increased knowledge into what art is and what it can do. This is precisely why a vote could not have been opened out to the wider public, if it was, then the safest and most mundane option would be elected and this would not do justice to the memories of the men who worked down the mine. The easiest path is very rarely the right path, surely those guys knew this better than most. If the group had chosen a huge mining lamp, what would this have meant? A mine used to exist here. Thats it, it requires no more engagement, I don’t even need to see the lamp to know this. But with the elongated head of a child, much more complex, further reaching and profound issues are raised. Much of this wider meaning has been stated previously so I won’t reiterate, but from a personal point of view one of the many things it makes me think of is the Easter Island statues, something primitive, timeless, graceful and melancholic, but in the movement from black granite into pristine white I heed a warning and a message of hope; those societies who fight amongst themselves, looking only to the past, will surely die out, but those who seek the future and rebirth will flourish.
Sorry for the length of this rant I’ll stop now.
David P said:
Well said Andy F, Someone who has grapsed the whole concept of this project. As a former miner myself ( Bold ) I applaud as you say the courage of the former miners of this group to choose something of such beauty and thought provoking qualities that thousands of people per day will see and admire.
JFDudley said:
Lets us now stop the points scoring and all get behind this project.
name said:
best of the best it is,
chunk said:
Just like say well done to all the film makers,
pitty the end result was left with some shandy drinkers from the south who know little or nothing about the town or its people ,there was far better films to represent the town and its people than what they picked.
But eh what do i know………..
Well done to everyone who put the time and effort in to the films ,
congratulations to the winners…..
Paul said:
Agree with chunk… the films were great, and shows what talent is out there…. we may not agree with the winners but talent shines through!